Jumpstyle?

[jigsaw]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyAvaLsLFl8


seems pretty nordic tracky? but kinda housey?

is this related to house dance?

[buddha stretch]

'jump Around"..lol...this Has Nothing To Do With House!!

[VINHTERCOURSE]

well IMO, i can see how those steps could be done in a "house" way. but the way they are doing it (well a big hint is also the music they are playing) is totally not house and screams raverish, the movement and the music!

[Scotty]

all they're missing is a DDR game platform

[jigsaw]

aight, cool. i'm glad. i'm probably as noob as they come to house dancing...

but lately i've been noticing the super tight dancers that come from house dancing...

like Popula or Slim Boogie, these dudes are really funky with theirs, makes me want to expand my horizons and ish.

and this clip did come from a rave blog thing so ur comments are not far off... i was just wondering if this was related to house... which i'm glad to hear no.

these dudes routine is kinda cool tho i think. lol sorta cool at least, don't hate. it's fun to watch at least, give it that.

[jigsaw]

here's a quote from the thread i went back to brosephs:

it totally took holland (and a few other places)
by storm in the last few years. It's sort of like
"turbo-nordic-tracking" but often done in groups of two or more
(though solo jumps are common place too).

i thought it apropos considering Janet discussion of dances for
different parts of the electronic music world. this is one for the
Hardstyle fans (probably the biggest electronic genre in Holland and
the surrounding countries right now).


see i didn't know if hardstyle and house were connected.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCSEEK6IpyU&NR=1





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoPl0XoQguQ&NR=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkOikxh0kKg&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJNDV872X4o&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=36e9kZcRWGI


and the Melbourne Shuffle even

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZPaMdxC6CQI

[buddha stretch]

Since When Were Popula,or Slim Boogie..*house* Dancers???

[jigsaw]

o man, the first time i saw slim boogie he was house dancing.

i didn't know he could pop and did boogaloo til later. that guy has a mean hit

and i heard that popula was a house dancer or did some house dancing before he was popping.

i don't think either of them goes around carrying the moniker of house dancer, i'm just saying they did it... and i think they're funky.. and maybe there's a connection- more exposure-more sense of rhythm- more dancing ability...

i guess like u said in the thread about shifted shape's upcoming tutting tutorial, ur supposed to learn from everything.

[Scotty]

yeah when i first met SLIM like 5-6 years ago he was housing all night long.

[buddha stretch]

DID IT LOOK LIKE THIS???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiDQ1wzbUAw

BCUZ I HEAR ALOT OF FOLKS SAY THEY'RE *HOUSIN*...LOL,BUT MOST OF THE TIME IT'S JUST CATS DANCING TO HOUSE MUSIC...NOT THE ACTUAL *STYLE*...

[VINHTERCOURSE]

buddah stretch ill tell you one thing, especially true on the west coast from MY experience.

raves still are big around here, (but way bigger back in the 1998-2002 era). anyways a lot of people from the west coast/rave scene do NOT know anything about house dance, or that its really a style. a lot of people really think its just doing whatever you want to house music...."dancing to house"...which is also why a lot of the younger generation, especially younger generation who haven't done their homework, HATE on foundation. because to them it takes away from what they think house is, the whole thing about "house is a feeling" and doing whatever you want to do. but house is very much a style, like any of the other dances.

you know its funny, i was at a house bar the other night with some of my friends, and of course we were house dancing. anyways some ravers from the era mentioned above, came up to us and heres what basically went down.

they were like oh you guys "all dance alike" doing that "new school shit". in my head i was like new school shit? and then they were talkin down to us, with saying things like "i come from the og era, during the late 90's". i was just crackin up when i heard this because MANY people here have this mentality, that house started in the rave scene around that era, and that is the "og" house dance. and the stuff we do now is "new school" and wack because we all "dance ailke". i was just thinking to myself how distorted this statement is, because the stuff we've been studying and doing homework on, has been going on before he was even born!

even at the raves these days, the clips that jigsaw posted people do this type of movement at raves, and MANY people at that. and as such, people who do this or observe people who do this, think THAT is house dance because thats all they are exposed to, these type of movements to house music.

but you know thats another problem as far as the west coast goes. at underage spots, (ie raves), there isn't a lot of parties that even play house music!! as much as people think the movements in the above clips are house, these same people think the music in these clips (sometimes similar to what they play at raves) is house music! so right away the music and dance is being passed off/intrepreted as something drastically different then what it actually is.

here is a clip for demonstration purposes. the stuff in these clips can be often seen at raves/house clubs around here that are passed off as house dancing.

hmm shit, i don't know how to embed videos in here so here is a link. disclaimer: now im not downplaying this clip of its dancing, but as in terms of house, its definitely not it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Cr1ZY_fOy0

-vinh

[buddha stretch]

Trust Me Vinh....i Completely Understand!i've Seen Many A Person Claim *house* Dance,& Then Do What We Call The *house Of Pain*..."jump Around","jump Around","jump Up Jump Up,& Get Down"..lol!that's The Same Excuse Said *ravers* Used To Use...back In The Mid-late 90's About Poppin....until They Learned It Was Actually A *style*....not Waving With Glow-sticks!...AND THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE HE'S RAPING THE MUSIC,NO LOVE INVOLVED!

[kaib0rg]

hardstyle is in no way shape or form related to House music unless you consider theyre both EDM. hardstyle brances from hardtrance/gabber. Take you average trance track, add a pounding bassline and speed it up to 150 and there's Hardstyle.

creative, i know.

[Scotty]

lol

[jigsaw]

Thanks for the knowledge bombs here.

You guys are making me feel like my attitude about calling popping "popping" and thinking of it as pure freedom was maybe, evian backwards, or naive for those that don't juxtapose or transpose on the fly.

Hey really tho, now I know that I don't know. And that's something worth knowing.

F'realz.

[larrylare]

I guess for every newbie to really understand the dance you have to really study the music and where it came from. Primarily Chicago and New York. You have to familiarize yourself with people like Frankie Knuckles, Derrick May even, Larry Levan, David Mancuso, Ron Hardy, and pretty much all the nocturnal dance mongers from the mid 70s to 80s to 90s that all went to the best house clubs of all time that are pretty much forgotten. To me the original "house dance" or "house dancers" were nothing more than a congregation of peoples that came from diverse backgrouds. You had trained dancers, vibers just letting go, you had the gay community, latin, african,etc. etc. pretty much anyone that loved the funk, that loved disco, that appreciated the jazzy ambiance of David Mancusos soundsystem, and loved the edits of frankie knuckles thanks to Derrick Mays passed down beat machine.

To me House dance involves many dances and basically the first generation per se can be those that just stood out amongst the crowds. The sensual spins and babypowdered movements amongst the floorboards with people moving along the ground as if they were ice skating or the thrusting sexual pelvic thrusts to faster hard beats in the windy cities werehouse club where people would do this type of movements against speakers, the wall, with each other, etc etc and later the phenom was labeled jacking. I believe that house dance was and still is a special connection with the music and the people of the past used what ever they deemed fit to the diverse sounds that came out of those bass pumping speakers. Whether it be a latin sound, a brazillian sound, african, soulful, funky, even euro sounding, and jazzy, the dance is as complex as the house music itself.

To anyone that acknowledges that the rave scene is house, all i have to say is this: I grew up in Los Angeles and fell in love with what we used to call Housing- which to us was things like The Soul Bros, the dancers on herp alperts south on first street, rocking cavariches and flattops. Soon enough my knowledge of house was furtherly infected by "LA Hard House" and music pumping out of powertools on power106 and having these djs come to our high school dances continuously playing Daft Punk's "Around the World" for the millionth time. I guess there was a time when I gave raves a chance primarily for the experience and the one thing I did find there was the positive feeling of openess and communication. Ive met some really good people in the LA rave scene and that right there is what i believe should be the foundation for this music and this dance if you really really love it then you should really look into the past. And know the history of this music because even today 2008 the music and dance keep changing and changing but knowing history and paying respect to the faceless and nameless dancers that have shared their movements is going to allow us to keep the culture alive.

Even the fundamental movements that you can learn IMO are nothing more than a door to a different feeling that is given to you like a tool. It is a doorway into a dimension that was created before house music was even created, by a person that was doing nothing more but getting doooowwwwwwn. hahah
sorry for getting a lil deep son. so soorrry Peace!!!!

[jigsaw]

awesome post, thanks so much to ya'll dropping all dis knowledge in this thread.

[JackDaniel]

i like raves.... LOL





for some reason, even though im deep into the underground house scene and i know the house found at raves is extremely commercial and waterd down... i dont really care! Raves are what brought me into the culture that i love and brought me to the ppl that i now call my fam. People can hate on raves and ravers and rave dance all they want but for many of us... it was the gateway to a whole plethura of subcultures and avenues to explore. For many of us it changed the way we thought and felt about dance and and music and "VIBE". so all these kids doing their "jumpstyle" more power to them, it wasnt too long ago my ass was nordictracking along with the masses. what ever it takes to elevate yo.

2 cents

[delocke]

that video compilation of the melbourne shuffle that jigsaw added is a bad representation of the dance. Most of the dancers in the vid are doing the running man not the shuffle.

[Scotty]

do you have clips to show us?

[delocke]

Here are a few links to clips, sorry i don't know how to embed them here

http://www.youtube.com/v/P3evoNeD45g&hl=en
http://www.youtube.com/v/FWdtZTbgXcM&hl=en
http://www.youtube.com/v/sqbhzA93B3g&hl=en
http://www.youtube.com/v/-Snfyqe-PHw&hl=en

[JackDaniel]

it totatlly looks like the la rave scene circa 99-02 except instead of nordic tracking theyre doing the "shuffle" lol

[delocke]

lol

[Boogiewalker]

yeah... the whole rave scene is new to me, but I actually like it... plus, I think some of the electro-house (if I can call it that here w/o everyone handing my ass back to me with a verbal beating...) is pretty cool... Honestly, I feel it more than most of the DnB stuff (although I am getting more into DnB... I dig a straight forward groove more than fast stuff...)

Most of the "dopest" dancers I know of now at some point originated in the rave scenes...

But yeah... you gotta remember that foundation is important because foundation LEADS to freedom... you need a foundation before you can build a house... but once you have that foundation, you can build your house however you want...

peas,

BW

[SunShine]

Looks like a good cardio workout! :)

[buddha stretch]

Just To Clarify....the Soul Bros *never* Did House!the Movements,& Dances They Did Were,& Are Still Called "freestyle Hiphop"....they Never Danced To House Music....they Were Back Up Dancers For An Emcee Called Def Jeff,before That They Were Soul Train Dancers,& A Part Of What's Now Called "the Trendy Era"....the Dance Scene Between The Popppin/lockin Era In La,& The Hiphop Era.....peace

[JackDaniel]

i think what lare was tryn to say that his first impressions with the word housing was that style of hip hop dancing in LA at the time which they called housing but wasnt house dance.

[buddha stretch]

i think what lare was tryn to say that his first impressions with the word housing was that style of hip hop dancing in LA at the time which they called housing but wasnt house dance.
THAT'S WHY I SAID TO *CLARIFY*....AS LIL BEE SAID THIS EXACT THING TO ME ON FSS.....NO WORRIES!

[JackDaniel]

whats fss?

[buddha stretch]

Freestylesession....my Bad...board Lingo!lol